Talk:Covenant of Works
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I think Covenant of Works, New Covenant, etc. should be considered proper names with both words capped. That is how they are seen in other works. Gomarus 08:11, 25 Oct 2005 (EDT)
"Ceased to be in effect"?
The Covenant of Works, they claim, ceased to be in effect after the fall, cf. Hosea 6:7.
Surely not! I always thought the argument is that the Covenant of Works remains in effect, for this line of reasoning. The Covenant of Works promised life for obedience and death for disobedience to Adam. Adam, and all his seed in him, broke the covenant and so earned death. We are now covenant-breakers; we are still in the covenant, but we are not faithful members of it. Wooster (talk) 14:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
A quote perhaps worth integrating
- "The covenant of works, instituted in the Garden of Eden, was the promise that perfect obedience would be rewarded with eternal life. Adam was created sinless but with the capability of falling into sin. Had he remained faithful in the time of temptation in the Garden (the "probationary period"), he would have been made incapable of sinning and secured in an eternal and unbreakable right standing with God." [1]
- Aaron Shafovaloff 02:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
I just learned that
John Piper and his mentor, Daniel Fuller, are criticized as those who reject the idea of the covenant of works. I'm still learning why they reject it, but one big reason seems to be that the only obedience God wants--before and after the fall--is the obedience of grace-trusting faith:
- "Were… covenant theolog[ians] to perceive that the obedience of faith is the only kind of obedience that is ever acceptable to the “God who will not give his glory to another” (Isa 42:8), they could make the blessing Adam was to receive after passing his probationary test a work of grace rather than the payment of debt, and therefore would not make themselves vulnerable to the charge that the kind of righteousness Adam and Christ were to perform was the highest kind of blasphemy." - Daniel P. Fuller, “A Response on the Subjects of Works and Grace,” Presbuterion: A Journal for the Eldership, Volume IX, Numbers 1-2, Spring-Fall 1983, 76.
-- Aaron Shafovaloff 03:16, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- “Before sin entered the world, Adam and Eve experienced God’s goodness not as a re-sponse to their demerit (since they didn’t have any) but still without deserving God’s goodness…. So even before they sinned, Adam and Eve lived on grace” (Piper, Future Grace, p. 76).
